Re: Muslim Leader issues Anti-Terrorism Fatwa

Heh.

My wife and I were invited to a traditional Muslim wedding in Crystal City.
Men and women were separated.  Women got to dance to disco, dress
in vibrant colors on the other side of the wall.  Big ugly mean looking
dudes were at the entrance to that area making sure no men even so
much as peek in there.

I found myself alone, at a table, with guys in turbans looking like the
prototypical terrorist types.  First thing out of the mouth of the guy
to my left:  "You know, we consider the US's presence in Iraq to be
an invasion."

It should be noted that my wife, who designed and made a custom
Muslim wedding dress for the bride, got to dance and have fun with
the women all night, while I was stuck with the assholes for a couple
of hours.

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When posed with that, you should have responded "that's funny, I consider 9/11 an act of war."

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MC Escher wrote:

The Salem witch trials took place in the 17th century, and were an expression of Judeo-Christian intolerance for the rights of women.

Actually, I think they were more about ordinary human jealousies and ambitions, but that's just me.

I think you're taking the piss. I wasn't being the least bit serious with that post.


MC Escher wrote:

Given that it's hard to know what is in a persons heart, we have no meaningful way to judge that man EXCEPT by his behavior. So I tend to fall into the category of people who condemn the BEHAVIOR of individual Muslims rather than condemning Islam itself. Am I saying something like "Love the sinner but hate the sin"? Maybe I am. And maybe I'm being hopelessly naive.

But I'm a Jew.

  I'll answer this as briefly as I can - A young woman I know began seeing a Muslim about two years ago. They've been living together for a year and half.

Knowing her sensibilities, I had at first assumed he was Christian or an apostate. When I got an earful for saying something about Islam, I learned otherwise. This began months of sporadic and heated arguing about what she was and was not being told - her defending him tooth and nail.

So I gave her my Koran.

A year and a half - a year and a half, she lived with what she saw as a fine, upstanding, wonderful man... before she found out what he really believed. Before she began asking questions he couldn't evade, and he began letting the truth out, which he argued with pathological obedience.

The superiority of men over women, a man's right to own multiple "wives", and, oh - the slaughter of Jews.

A year and a half! Same bed! Same kitchen! Same roll of toilet paper! And believe me, this girl is no naif, and very intelligent. And she has a brother who did multiple tours in Iraq.

So, yes, like so many Jews throughout history, you are probably letting well-intentioned naivete get the better of you.

I would suggest you take up studying the Koran and life of Muhammad - it should cure you of that quickly.

As the young woman so aptly summed it up:

  "Pretty hard to misinterpret, "Kill the opposing race!  Slap hoes!  We hate pigs!"'

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Turd_Ferguson wrote:

When posed with that, you should have responded "that's funny, I consider 9/11 an act of war."

Yeah, I thought of that.  Of course, had I said that, my wife would have lost
the entire DC Muslim community in terms of possible customers, and she would
have killed me.  Also, you don't go pissing off a group of people at a wedding -
it's a celebration, and even though this guy acted like an ass, that was no reason
for me to make a huge stink at someone else's wedding.

It's easy in life to make enemies, but when you run a retail store you sell to
whomever wants to buy.  Business is non-judgmental in this way.  Our job is
to provide the best possible customer service without prejudice.

I have no respect for how Muslim men treat their women.  That part of their
culture is beyond words.  Equally is their views towards the Jewish, which is
also beyond words.  If another Hitler arises, it'll be from the Middle East.

The greatest danger to the lives of modern Jews is the misunderstanding and
underestimation of the astonishing level of hatred ingrained in Muslims.

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Make no bones about it, I was being entirely sarcastic and ascerbic.

If you had said something like that we wod have seen an article in the Post referring to a riot in Crystal City, followed by a post here pleading for a couch to crash on!

Now with more Nutella!

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Woyzeck wrote:

I would suggest you take up studying the Koran and life of Muhammad - it should cure you of that quickly.

Bingo.  If a person hasn't read the Koran they can't really speak to the good or bad of Islam, they can only rightly discuss the behaviors of Muslims.

adoniram7 wrote:

If another Hitler arises, it'll be from the Middle East.

It's good to know you'll have no problem designing the wedding dress for neo-Hitlers wedding big_smile

What no person has a right to is to delude others into the belief that faith is something of no great significance, or that it is an easy matter, whereas it is the greatest and most difficult of all things - Kierkegaard

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I couldn't design my way out of a paper bag, but my wife can make
even a fat, ugly looking woman look pretty.  (insert Nak joke here)

The road to hell is doing something not in the contract.

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Jesus Is My Pilot wrote:

Bingo.  If a person hasn't read the Koran they can't really speak to the good or bad of Islam, they can only rightly discuss the behaviors of Muslims.



Which is all I was doing.


And by the way....

As a Jew, I know damned well that the Old Testament isn't full of sweetness and light.

Would you fuckers quit giving me karma? I have a reputation to live down to!

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MC Escher wrote:

As a Jew, I know damned well that the Old Testament isn't full of sweetness and light.

It is a difference between situational violence, and a call to perpetual warfare, and between a descriptively written history, and a prescriptively written command or example. And there is no genuine criticizing or questioning Muhammad. Absolutely none, upon pain of severe social and even physical consequences. One can fake it for the kafir, however.

Sorry if my last post seemed terse, I was in a rush.

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adoniram7 wrote:

I couldn't design my way out of a paper bag, but my wife can make
even a fat, ugly looking woman look pretty.  (insert Nak joke here)

Are you suggesting that neo-Hitlers wife is/will be fat and ugly?  That's not a very nice thing to say about your customers big_smile

What no person has a right to is to delude others into the belief that faith is something of no great significance, or that it is an easy matter, whereas it is the greatest and most difficult of all things - Kierkegaard

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Wozzeck wrote:
MC Escher wrote:

As a Jew, I know damned well that the Old Testament isn't full of sweetness and light.

It is a difference between situational violence, and a call to perpetual warfare, and between a descriptively written history, and a prescriptively written command or example. And there is no genuine criticizing or questioning Muhammad. Absolutely none, upon pain of severe social and even physical consequences. One can fake it for the kafir, however.

Sorry if my last post seemed terse, I was in a rush.


What's that? You're into Rush?  faggot.

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Woyzeck wrote:
MC Escher wrote:

Given that it's hard to know what is in a persons heart, we have no meaningful way to judge that man EXCEPT by his behavior. So I tend to fall into the category of people who condemn the BEHAVIOR of individual Muslims rather than condemning Islam itself. Am I saying something like "Love the sinner but hate the sin"? Maybe I am. And maybe I'm being hopelessly naive.

But I'm a Jew.

  I'll answer this as briefly as I can - A young woman I know began seeing a Muslim about two years ago. They've been living together for a year and half.

Knowing her sensibilities, I had at first assumed he was Christian or an apostate. When I got an earful for saying something about Islam, I learned otherwise. This began months of sporadic and heated arguing about what she was and was not being told - her defending him tooth and nail.

So I gave her my Koran.

A year and a half - a year and a half, she lived with what she saw as a fine, upstanding, wonderful man... before she found out what he really believed. Before she began asking questions he couldn't evade, and he began letting the truth out, which he argued with pathological obedience.

The superiority of men over women, a man's right to own multiple "wives", and, oh - the slaughter of Jews.

I knew guys like that.  Thing about your last sentence is the lack of a verb.  Lots of people run their mouths about stupid ideas, or feel a duty to defend a piece of religious doctrine on which they are unlikely to act.  When a fellow says "My religion gives me the right to kill a jew", that's a problem, but not the same kind of problem as people who actually kill people just because they are jews.  Same business about women, many people see women as somehow inferior, yet treat women with great respect and care.

I'll add that the converse is true too.  A fellow can describe christian doctrine precisely and accurately, but be a miserable person.  In assessing a person, I will be more impressed by patterns of behaviour than profession.  It doesn't mean that ideas don't matter, because they do.  Perhaps ideas that don't matter enough for a fellow to act on don't matter enough to use to measure him.

“Despotism tempered by assassination, that is our Magna Carta”

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It is the difference between how someone acts towards you before their co-workers and the like, and what they will do to you if they and several of their like-minded breathren run across you in a dark alley.

Thinking these kinds of things are minor points is dangerously naive, in my actual, physical experience.

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Someone who has actually read it in detail can probably confirm or reject what I'm saying here, but it is my understanding that it is all but explicit in the Koran that Muslims are counseled to basically lay low as long as they are a minority, and to take what they want and impose sharia as soon as they are in the majority. 

The reason it is not actually explicit is this:  there is a doctrine (I forget what it's called) where, in cases where the Koran contradicts itself, the passage written later takes precedence.  Unfortunately for everybody, those passages that suggest behaving within any norms of civilization were written earlier.  All the "by the sword" stuff was written later - when the circumstances in the events being described had changed, in that their numbers had risen to the point where they were *capable* of acting "by the sword" without getting their asses kicked.

I have no doubt that the French "youths" who torch some 300 cars every night in Paris did not do so until they had enough numbers that their neighborhoods had eventually become a no-man's land to the French police.

The historical record (which I've documented here before) wherein countries that become majority Muslim become 95%+ Muslim (because they kill, kick out or forcibly convert everyone else) very shortly thereafter is consistent with this.

Given both this historical pattern of behavior and the very strong suggestions in the Koran to actually operate in this way (think of it as Islam's version of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals), and I find little comfort in the notion that these ideas about sharia and killing infidels are "ideas that don't matter enough for a fellow to act on".  Yet.  Matt, you are assuming that it's because the ideas don't "matter" to them enough.  You ignore the possibility that it matters every bit as much to the quiet ones as it does to the ones acting on it, and they have every intention of acting on it, and the only difference is that the quiet ones are smarter and just biding their time until they have the numbers to win.  Again, Europe is a living example of this.

Qwinn

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Qwinn wrote:

Someone who has actually read it in detail can probably confirm or reject what I'm saying here, but it is my understanding that it is all but explicit in the Koran that Muslims are counseled to basically lay low as long as they are a minority, and to take what they want and impose sharia as soon as they are in the majority. 

The reason it is not actually explicit is this:  there is a doctrine (I forget what it's called) where, in cases where the Koran contradicts itself, the passage written later takes precedence.  Unfortunately for everybody, those passages that suggest behaving within any norms of civilization were written earlier..


The first is generally referred to as al-taqiyya, and if you ask a Muslim about it, you will receive al-taqiyya as an answer, that it is only defensive and was developed as a means of surviving as an opressed minority. There is a slight truth to this, as much of it was refined by the Shia living under Sunni rule.

But the reality is that it's intent is to lull unbelievers into complacency. One of the major acts of Muhammad that serves as focal point and foundation for Muslim Islamic scholars regarding this is when Muhammad ordered an assassination, and his chosen follower stated that he would have to lie to get close to the intended victim.

Muhammad told him, "Then lie."


The second is the rule of abrogation. If Muhammad said the sky was blue one day, but then it was for some reason to his advantage to claim that it was green the next, then as far as Islam is concerned, the sky is green forever.

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Jesus Is My Pilot wrote:
adoniram7 wrote:

I couldn't design my way out of a paper bag, but my wife can make
even a fat, ugly looking woman look pretty.  (insert Nak joke here)

Are you suggesting that neo-Hitlers wife is/will be fat and ugly?  That's not a very nice thing to say about your customers big_smile

Have you see Muslim women?  They are either beautiful beyond belief (and
extremely rare) or UUUUGGGLLLY.

The road to hell is doing something not in the contract.