George Floyd

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  • Even though I'm kinda done with Coulter that is what I have been thinking the whole time. He didn't need to die regardless of whatever the missing footage shows but where is the evidence it was racially motivated? Because the cop was white and he was black? Is that all it takes now? I know that's all it takes for the news and the professional outrage mob but normally reasonable people are running with it too.
  • edited June 4
    Agreed on Coulter. I was over her obnoxiousness 15-20 years when she was fired from NR/NRO for simple bad reporting and misrepresentation or misunderstanding facts.

    I think the race angle is not specific to Chauvin, but (and I don't have numbers to prove this) about a law enforcement system which, in general, disproportionately targets blacks. Now, there's a chicken and egg argument that I'm aware of which states, "They only target the black community because that's where the crime is at.". And I know the counter argument to that claim. I don't have the answer to either. Just pointing out that it's not just about Chauvin, specifically.
  • Your wife isn't angry because you left the seat up that one time.

    She's angry because of all the other times.
  • edited June 4
    ^This

    Matter of fact, I don't think the cops' skin colors are relevant. It's about them all being "blue" and fuck everybody else. But especially fuck the black community.

    It reminds me of a conversation I had with a coworker about the Catholic Church. He was a high-ish ranking admin member of the laity in the Archdiocese of Galveston. A couple of years ago I asked him what he thought about all of the issues of rape of molestation and his eyebrows went way up and said, "Yeah, it's about time and it's going to get much worse for them." He went on to explain how they (the clergy) see themselves as far and above the rest of society. That the rules and laws of mortals shouldn't apply to them because... whatever... They're called by God or because they belong to an ancient order... Doesn't matter.

    I think law enforcement shares and exhibits a similar sort of superiority over "civilians".
  • Police are a tribe/cult at this point.
  • I agree with a lot of that but my wife doesn't go around destroying things in the house and accusing me of hating her and being a mysoginist.

    The race of the cops is important because I've been reliably informed that incident was 100% racism but I've also been reliably informed that black people can't be racist but on top of that I've been reliably informed that the most racist cops are the black ones something something Samuel Jackson pic from D'Jango Unchained. I guess that means it was one of the most racist incidents that ever happened. I don't buy that though.

    The protests aren't about regular old police brutality but specifically anti-black racist police burtality. Since that's the case there needs to be actual evidence of racism. Racism has been claimed in all of the high profile incidents used by BLM to justify what may start as peaceful demonstrations that more often than not devolve into riots. How many black people have died now just trying to defend their businesses because of the violence perpetrated by rioters? The message is lost and let's not kid ourselves. It's not "white interlopers" or FBI infiltrators causing the destruction, it's the same angry kids (BLM/Antifa) who have been listening to and shouting incendiary slogans for hours just waiting for a spark to set everything off.

    Ultimately I think they are all (cops/protesters) acting like assholes and neither are doing anything but making it worse.
  • edited June 4
    "Ultimately I think they are all (cops/protesters) acting like assholes and neither are doing anything but making it worse. "

    And there it is.

    Just because Floyd was someone you don't want to live near doesn't justify the state having one of its agents mishandling him and provoking his death. Just because a man dies in police custody doesn't mean he was one of the good guys. Identifying the good guys in this play is like looking for the clean part of the sewer.

    The looting and rioting is a pity. There is a sort of person who sees a temporary state of nature only as an opportunity without liability. It isn't until someone is shot while looting that such a person does the math and realizes that this state of nature also includes new risks.

    Last night, Fox had a piece about one of the pretty sodcutter girls who run the cupcake shop around the corner from me. What kind of rage is it that can't tolerate girls selling pricey cupcakes?
  • dgmdgm
    edited June 4
    What's a "pretty sodcutter girl"???

    Edit: Had to do a lot of googling. Are you using a variant of turf cutter, as in Irish?

  • edited June 4
    yup.

    I had a girl who showed great promise, but she was nuts. Then I hired her cousin. This cupcake shop is run by a bunch of their cousins. You'd think girls who work around baked goods all day would be fat, but they are mostly reasonably tall and slim.

    Maybe the cupcakes are terrible.

    Some of them are gingers, but as the question goes "Whuddya going to do ?".
  • zuk: "Some of them are gingers, but as the question goes "Whuddya going to do ?". "

    Find out if the carpet matches the drapes? /mark
  • It's the only way to be sure.
  • No great place to put this but the wife and I have been really put-off by the empty virtue signalling on FB and other divisive movements that seem like another form of racism... like BLM. So here is my virtue signalling - http://oneracemovement.com

    Started by two black and two white pastors to focus on reconciliation, relationship and prayer.
  • A "One Race" movement shows solid rhetoric. I'm going to have a chuckle about the joke in my head, but I'm not making fun of the "One Race" idea. It comes from the observation of the traditional American melting pot idea of ethnicity as "one country, one people".

    One country.
    One race.
    One people.
    One leader!

    It's sounds so much gentler in English.
  • "I can't even really read past her first blatant factual error... No. Cardiopulmonary Arrest is not a heart attack. It's Cardiopulmonary arrest."

    Is that an error or a colloquialism? Is that a distinction non-medical personnel routinely make? Since a heart attack can be a cause of cardiopulmonary arrest, that seems like an odd imprecision to get hung up on. Particularly since Floyd's medical distress may have begun well before Chauvin took a knee.

    The most relevant parts of that article remind us of how badly the media reported on the Rodney King beating. How eager some people are to spread the narrative that encourages rioting.

    "Your wife isn't angry because you left the seat up that one time.
    She's angry because of all the other times."

    Which would be pretty severely irrational if she were the one leaving the seat up 95% of the time.
  • The elephant in the room is that even the non-violent protestors are being led by the nose by lies, damned lies, and calculated lies of omission, all of which have been assembled and advertised by various toxic manipulators out to achieve ends ranging from their own financial enrichment to Marxist revolution. These assemblers and promoters of lies do not give a damn about any of the dead on either side.

    The many Joes and Janes Sixpack who by this time regurgitate sympathy with the false narrative do so often because they have become the “emasculated liars” Theodore Dalrymple warned were so easy to rule. The press for forbidden speech that we laughed at in the 1990s was the foundation for the compelled speech we see today: virtue signal or face consequences. Keep up with the latest version of our lies, or else.

    As regards the severity of the ongoing looting, there is a simple explanation. With so much of the urban and suburban population on lockdown, the hood hasn’t been “eating”. This promoted “crisis” was the perfect opportunity for hustlers, dealers, pimps and thieves to make up for lost income with little to no threat of facing punishment.
  • I had to look up the "emasculated liar" quote to see how it was different from useful idiots... a nice distinction from Dalrymple -
    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

    In other news...
    The Atlanta mayor and APD police chief troped out the bizarre claim that our rioters weren't GA natives, a common claim now that I still don't quite understand... are they Russians? Either way, the GBI released their analysis that over 85% of those arrested were GA natives.
  • I have read and seen different things regarding out of town rioters. One narrative is that this is an organized effort planned by dark and sinister organizations who are pulling the strings; Soros, Antifa, and/or right-wingers trying to execute false flag events.

    The other thought is that, “Our community is good and peaceful. Do not associate with these outsiders who only seek to divide and destroy us.”
  • It's all senator Palpatine behind this. (Soros)
  • It's all senator Palpatine behind this. (Soros) - Zed

    Not sure if serious or not but the Dalrymple quote does seemingly require someone pulling the strings on this whole mess. I can't decide if there really are communist overlords conspiring somewhere or if a lot of this is just natural human tendency, like a flock of starlings. Probably a little of both.
  • "Not sure if serious or not but the Dalrymple quote does seemingly require someone pulling the strings on this whole mess. I can't decide if there really are communist overlords conspiring somewhere or if a lot of this is just natural human tendency, like a flock of starlings. Probably a little of both."

    Is the distinction you are drawing between those who would employ intolerance as a conscious strategy or those who are genuinely intolerant by disposition?

    That Dalrymple articulates the purpose to humiliate doesn't require that someone who would inflict that specific humiliation is conscious of his own motive. One could imagine a zealot so convinced of his own enlightenment and sure of the social sins of his opponents that he sees humiliating those who dissent as satisfying. That doesn't require conspiracy or direction. A culture in which mere disagreement is met with a sense of righteous indignation would do the trick.
  • edited June 6
    Anyone who has ever lived in a small religiously homogeneous community has likely seen the same thing.
    "We didn't see you at church on Sunday. Is everything okay?" - Said with feigned concern and a hint of judgement.

    There is definitely some organizational effort behind all of this, but it doesn't require much of that to catch the imagination of the young and passionate, along with those who've been through the ringer and are fed up. My kids joined a scheduled protest yesterday for that young woman who was murdered by plain clothes cops while she was in bed asleep. I was okay with that. But one of the signs they made up had the raised fist and that pissed me off. My daughter tried to convince me that it holds a different connotation now. I told her that it did not and she didn't know what she was doing. It didn't end well.

    I find it unlikely that Soros is locked away in some sort of Star Chamber with a cabal of wealthy anti-capitalist-capitalists trying to impose a Socialist World Order.
  • edited June 6
    That’s because they aren’t.

    This isn’t about socialism or any other ism, it’s about power.



    "Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

    The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort."
    - Robert Heinlein
  • *thinking about people I know*

    ^^^Yeah, that checks out, too.

    Thing is, I know people who cross back and forth between those ideals all the time and don't recognize the inconsistency.
  • Nobody is consistently consistent.
  • I am consistently inconsistent.
  • Holy shit, Randomercam hits it out of the park.

  • Brilliant. Where is he based?
  • @16 minutes - love the puppet.
  • edited June 9
    "Holy shit, Randomercam hits it out of the park."

    Usually his anger is a little off-putting, and why his work with the puppets that insulate his anger from his videos is among his best work. An angry puppet is a lot less off-putting. This is one of those occasions where his anger is so clearly justified by the combination of abuse of "quarantine" authority and completely failing to provide for public safety against rioters, that its a lot less off-putting.

    It makes me wonder though whether that entire video could be improved by just switching their roles, with the puppet presenting Dr.Randomercam's dialog and Randomercam interjecting with the parody of SJW racism presented by the puppet above.

  • Dog - "I can't breath"

    *snort*

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