Kardishev Scale

I find the Kardishev Scale to be useless, annoying and more than a little unscientific.


To replace it, I give you the Escher 7 Level Scale, where each level contains the necessary pre-conditions to advance to the next level.



Baseline Civilization:
1. Compound tools
2. Persistent, permanent infrastructure.
3. Method of preserving knowledge and passing it to subsequent generations.
4. Abstract conceptualization.

Type 0 Civilization:
1. Basic understanding and use of chemistry and metallurgy.
2. Base mathematical system and the concept of zero.
3. Scientific Method

Type 1 Civilization:
1. Nuclear technology.

Type 2 Civilization:
1. Permanent occupation of other planets in native solar system.

Type 3 Civilization:
1. FTL travel between systems.

Type 4 Civilization:
1. Includes more that one Species that has reached Type 3 civilizations.

Type 5 Civilization.
1. TBD



Comments

  • I suggest changing Type 3 to "Interstellar Travel" instead of FTL. Also, are you purposely disregarding any of the rationales that explain the Fermi Paradox that suggest no civilization can hit Type 3?
  • Seabird said:

    I suggest changing Type 3 to "Interstellar Travel" instead of FTL.

    Agree.
    Seabird said:

    Also, are you purposely disregarding any of the rationales that explain the Fermi Paradox that suggest no civilization can hit Type 3?

    “The forest is dark and full of wolves.”



  • Martin's quote is, "The night is dark and full of terrors."

    What is your quote from?
  • “It's always darkest before it becomes totally black.”  Mao
  • Leave it to Matt to bring race into this.


    You people.
  • There was a child lost at night in a forest. Wanting to know if he was not alone, if someone could help him, he called out for others. The forest was dark and full wolves. They were the only ones who were always waiting answer.

    The only intelligences that survive to cross the gulfs of space are those that learn to keep quiet, or that are subdued by those who keep them quiet.
  • You’re overlooking the simplest answer to the Fermi paradox; we are the first.
  • I'm not overlooking it. From what I've read, scientists think that we're within a more recently created area of the Milky Way.

    Woy - You're recommending keeping our heads down otherwise we'll invite trouble? I think Stephen Hawking suggested the same thing.
  • Does our robotic occupation of Mars count?
  • dgm said:

    Does our robotic occupation of Mars count?

    I'm surprised Liberals didn't protest this.
  • Rover lives matter.
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