Split from Debate: "Christianity vs Atheism" Bahnsen vs. Stein

[quote="Buho":2mcb6y9z]I forgot to mention in the OP, but I want to remind everyone that if they feel there are better debates out there, please share them with the rest of us.[/quote:2mcb6y9z]

"Better" will be a function of what people are seeking. My sense is that few here or anywhere else will find the time to sit through two hours of even an outstanding exchange.

One I enjoyed immensely was moderated by a jooish fellow whose name escapes, but was a discussion between Resa Aslan and Sam Harris. What I enjoyed was Sam Harris looking like the knobend he is.

Looked for it and found it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5og-hyD3A7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAN6IFNP ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXm8-Fq1 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoFdkZhv ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag8RyjQb ... re=related

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  • [quote:7voit4a1]"Better" will be a function of what people are seeking.[/quote:7voit4a1]
    Undoubtedly. Atheists are probably seeking debates where their side wins hands-down. I wish to be fair.

    [quote:7voit4a1]My sense is that few here or anywhere else will find the time to sit through two hours of even an outstanding exchange.[/quote:7voit4a1]
    Indubitably. But it's my hope a few here may actually be interested in intelligent discussion rather than looking for opportunities to shoot one liners before thinking.
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    [quote:tyshl701]"Better" will be a function of what people are seeking.[/quote:tyshl701]
    Undoubtedly. Atheists are probably seeking debates where their side wins hands-down.[/quote:tyshl701]

    I would hope people would seek interesting ones.

    Found this one with Harris and Wolpe. Haven't seen much of it, but Wolpe seems to say some interesting things.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jkBCEN1 ... re=related

    I find Harris' faith hilarious. I won't litter your thread with more of these.


    Maybe if there is something specific in the Bahnsen/Stein vids that catches your attention, you could offer comment to get things going.

  • The Four Horsemen: Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, Hitchens

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E
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    One I enjoyed immensely was moderated by a jooish fellow whose name escapes, but was a discussion between Resa Aslan and Sam Harris. What I enjoyed was Sam Harris looking like the knobend he is.

    Looked for it and found it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5og-hyD3A7A
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAN6IFNP ... re=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXm8-Fq1 ... re=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoFdkZhv ... re=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag8RyjQb ... re=related[/quote:2lw11wn2]
    Interesting. It's a debate between two materialists. On mystical experiences, I just heard Aslan say, "Nothing exists in reality that is not the sum of these chemical experiences." In the QA part, I really got the sense that Aslan is an atheist.

  • The fact that everything we experience is dictated, and the result of chemical reactions, doesnt diminish the reality of their existences. So we evolved into a species that feels love. Love doesn't exist like hydrogen, but it still exists.
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    Interesting. It's a debate between two materialists.On mystical experiences, I just heard Aslan say, "Nothing exists in reality that is not the sum of these chemical experiences." In the QA part, I really got the sense that Aslan is an atheist.[/quote:2gbve9o8]
    I don't believe Aslan was conceding materialism. He was saying that even though there is a chemical component to transcedent experience, understanding the material side of the experience doesn't really explain or get at the truth of the experience. He may be agnostic, I don't believe he is an atheist. If he is agnostic, he at least understands that religion is a necessary part of the human condition, and as long as there is mystery and unprovable assumptions about who we are, which will be always, there will always be a need for religion and religious understanding.

  • No, I don't think he was conceding materialism either. But it looked like he was defending Islam, and I just sort of assumed he actually believed the core doctrines of Islam (at least), number one namely being belief in the existence of Allah. Wikipedia says he's well-received in the Muslim community, but else where I heard he's of the "liberal" persuasion. But if he doesn't even believe in the existence of Allah, can he be called a liberal Muslim at all?

    It's no wonder Aslan and Harris find little disagreement at the end!
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    But it looked like he was defending Islam, and I just sort of assumed he actually believed the core doctrines of Islam (at least), number one namely being belief in the existence of Allah. [/quote:1ymzqfr0]

    I haven't watched that since it first aired, but my recollection was that Aslan defended islam as practiced and lived by most muslims against Harris' opportunistic use of terrorists as the posterchildren for the concept of religion generally. I recall Aslan going on a bit of a tirade about Harris' view of islam specifically and religion generally being rooted in profound ignorance and misunderstanding.

    I can't disagree with that.

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    Found this one with Harris and Wolpe. Haven't seen much of it, but Wolpe seems to say some interesting things.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jkBCEN1 ... re=related

    I find Harris' faith hilarious. I won't litter your thread with more of these.[/quote:iu8p7fyw]
    Darnit, Zuk! [b:iu8p7fyw]New thread![/b:iu8p7fyw]

    I'm up to Part 6 of (at least) 8. YouTube just lost connectivity so I can't watch the rest ATM. Good debate! I'll post thoughts later.

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    The Four Horsemen: Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, Hitchens

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E[/quote:2v7ov81w]
    Uh...I don't think a conversation between four people who share the same views is called a debate, EV.

  • I was looking for a clip that had Harris, Hitchens and I think Grayling, in which one of them (I think Harris), couldnt distinguish between Christianity and Islam as a threat to Western Liberty.
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